Is MMA herting martial arts?

- It seams as if everybody is just talking about muy tai, bjj or jujitsu, boxing, or wrestling. I think this is a huge probelm, because i think one needs to look into how other's view compat.





- I also think that MMA is the greatest way to test one's skills, but there is dreffrences between street fighting and the octagon. In MMA one can not brake bones (not in a submisson hold), hit the throat, use presher points (i dont think it is illegal, but one should not use them for ethical reasons), and poke eyes.





-i just want to get your openion on MMA; is it bad or good for martial arts?

Is MMA herting martial arts?
I think it has generated a lot of interest in Martial Arts, which is a good thing. I also think it has pulled many people into martial arts which is a good thing also. I think a lot has also been lost though. Drew is a BJJ guy, and said he never bought into all the phylisophical mumbo jumbo. Maybe that is why in another question he answered that he had a guy in a triangle choke and the guy bit him, so after he put him to sleep he transitioned to an armbar and broke his arm.





I am not saying this about all MMA fighters, because I have met a few in the town I live in and they are all really super nice and also very respectful, but I believe many out there are not taught the self control that should go with being able to damage the human body as much as a good MA can. I am afraid that too many people who would never advance very far in a traditional art, or be shown more devestating motion, because of their attitude and temper are being shown very effective devestating ways to hurt people.





Again I am not directing this to all MMA fighters or people who train it. i know that the majority are very good sound people. I realize that it is more up to the individual to determine their morals, but an Instructor does have a role to play. Maybe he should not preach his morals to his students, but he does have an obligation not to teach somebody who only wants it for the wrong reason.





They require a background check on people purchasing fire arms, and while it is not a perfect system, it has probably cut down on gun related violance. Why not the same thing for somebody who will be learning something just as deadly in close quarters? I am just afraid that too many people who shouldn't be are being shown stuff that they shouldn't know.





That is not to say traditional arts are perfect when it comes to gauging/building character, because mistakes definetly happen, and people also change, but I still feel there are less mistakes made in traditional classes than will be made in MMA classes.





I like watching the UFC, although it is becoming pretty boring to me lately. the fighters are world class athletes, and deserve the respect that there training has gotten them.





I definetly have nothing against MMA per say, I just wonder how many little drews it is spawning, who will choke somebody out so they are no longer a threat, then break their arm because they had the gaul to bite somebody to try and get out of a potentially lethal hold.





Doesn't that scare you at all?
Reply:The UFC, which is probably the biggest promoter of MMA in America was drastically cahnged when they were bought out by Zuffa and the fighters became more and more like each other. It is hardly style vs style anymore, its more of this guy has ground skills and this guy can striking. You dont see to many other styles, no longer is a contest of style, but only who has better all around skills. I think it can hurt and help martial arts, because it is possible for people to look closer into the practice, but also there are a mojority of people who are likely to only think of it as defined by the majority of the MMA competitors.
Reply:"In MMA one can not brake bones (not in a submisson hold)"





Wtf are you talking about? Do you really thing that punching a guy's shin will break it?
Reply:to the contrary, I think that the MMA is helping marital arts. I dont think half of the people who watch the UFC woulda known the different styles without it. It's just the americanized version of it.
Reply:No, I think that MMA is the best thing that has ever happened to Martial Arts. I remember when I first got into Martial Arts in the early 80's and everyone was talking about how their style was the best. Well in the early 90's Royce Gracie showed the world that a lot of that was bs when his BJJ was superior to all of them. Granted in the first UFC's it wasn't MMA it was a mixture of styles. However; it caused fighters to realize that certain styles were just for show, while others actually had some combative effectiveness. Thus certain styles were incorporated into other styles, while certain other styles were shelved because they simply did not work. I think that MMA has caused a huge increase in interest in Martial Arts as a whole as well.


As for breaking bones in a submission hold... Forrest Griffin got his arm broken due to a submission before he was picked up by the UFC, and Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvias arm a few years back. It can happen, it's just that most MMA fighters will tap before that point is reached.
Reply:MMA has forced many clubs to pick up their game and train harder or risk loosing "customers" so in that sence it is hurting martial arts that choose not to move with the times, and like Ramsey said, you either move with the time or the time moves you
Reply:Cant break bones in MMA huh..tell that to Tim Sylvia.. Why is are some people so hung up on these pressure points and death touches. In a street fight if your main concern is applying a pressure point, your games pretty weak. All in all MMA has expanded Martial Arts exponentially, generating millions in revenue and basically overshadowing boxing as Americas top combat sport. When it comes to MMA and street fighting its the closest thing to a one on one fight.





As for philosophical ideals and what not, I cant say since I never really bought into all that mumbo jumbo





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Reply:MMA is great for Martial Arts, its bad for ones that dont work for self-defense.
Reply:I Said it before I respect all Blood sports, I dislike Most poser MMA Fans. You practice this, This other sports fake, I can take on the world crap.


Look, All of you practicing whatever you do, Have some respect for the next man. Your Little MMA Wouldn't be around if it weren't for all other Martial arts, Be proud that your sport represents Most Martial Arts. But saying that this guy's fake and that you can take on the world and that MMA Beats all is mad ignorant and stupid.


I See MMA as a good thing, It gets people back into Martial Arts, Makes things more interesting. Yeah it has a few rules here and there and in a street fight most of these grapplers would get manhandled as there are no rules when someone's pounding your face in with a brick.


I would like to see one of these clowns take on one of our Black belts.
Reply:I think that MMA is both good and bad for Martial Arts.





Because a few of the people who don't do MA look at UFC and think "Wow cool I'm going to join up and kick a$$ just like the guys on TV" which is a bad thing because it might promote the thinking that you can walk down the street and then belt the crap out of someone because of a slight insult or whatever. But this thinking might also come from watching those crappy Martial Arts movies from the 70's.





But MMA and UFC is also a good thing because it is promoting MA and it is also demonstrating what those skill can do if used by someone that is defending him or herself or someone they love and also give people a out to test their skill in a controlled (if very brutal) environment.





So it always comes down to which person is going to learn MA if it is the first case or the second.
Reply:Before I give my answer, Jerry n: lol.





Anything that gets people into martial arts can only be a good thing, whether it be Bruce lee, the karate kid, Jackie Chan or mma. It is just that mma is the flavour at the moment, in 10 years time it may be some thing else like - Chuck's wcl.





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Reply:I agree that many train just a few select arts for MMA style fighting. They should branch out and train other arts, but they feel, these arts work best for that scenario. For street self defence, maybe they may consider other arts like kali, escrima, or japenese ju jutsu.





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Reply:I think people need to seperate the sporting events from the actual self defense applications. Of course this is not something the untrained person can do easily, and MMA sporting events have proven that punching the air does nothing for actual combative training. I just think that the organizations that promote these events should do more to explain that this is the sport side of martial arts, not the self defense or combative side, even though there is a lot of overlap.
Reply:MMA is martial arts. If you are talking about the events, then I think it has brought a great balance to the damage done by belt schools.





You are right, MMA is not street-fighting. It is about as close as we can get though without being outlawed. Most people I know would prefer to see a good submission or a KO resulting from a great combination, than two thugs swinging wildly anyway.
Reply:Well MMA does have a good mix of martial arts but what it lacks is disciple. Also it is a bad way to test one's skill in martial arts because when fighting you should do one sport at a time. This then helps opponents to focus on the game and have a clearer mind. As my opinion MMA is a bad way to test your martial arts skills.
Reply:I have taught trad karate american kenpo and jujutsu along side each other for years and know several instructors who have done much the same thing .When so called mma came along we said what's the big deal.MMA is promoted simply to make money by promoters .They have gone the same way as some boxing promoters .A few good fighters as the main event and then a lot of poor smucks who think they have shot but are nothing but human targets to fill out the card and a lot of people fall into that category that are taking mma.True champions are few and far between.





I have watched these fights and seen people escape from locks and chokes simply because the guy doing it was doing it wrong and the fine line between right way and wrong way is so fine it cant be seen by the untrained eye or poorly trained user.





Any art that depends on the opponents starting the fight from 10 ft away from each other is not truly suited to self defense as it creates a false situation .BAS RUTEN has videos of how street assaults actually occur and if you want to learn self defense study how to stop that from happening .What he does will knock you right out of your muay thai bjj mma shorts in short order.