Saturday, May 15, 2010

What are forbidden martial arts?

i heard a few people talk about "forbidden" martial arts? is there such a thing, if so what is it like?

What are forbidden martial arts?
The Forbidden Arts are styles popular in early Japan and China in which masters and students would practice techniques that could someone without the slightest effort. They were outlawed by Chinese emperors due to their deadliness. I doubt that they can still be learned and would be suprised if you could find a true master. For those who said that arts like Ninjitsu are The Forbidden Arts, they are incorrect. Ninjitsu is the practice of the ninja and rely on the element of suprise. it is an amazing style but hard to find a decent master. Most are wierdos who feel that they can do flips and will just end up hurting themselves. LOL





I hope my information was helpful.
Reply:Anything below the belt?
Reply:Forbidden Martial Arts usually involves deadly techniques outlawed for the excessive damage that can be delt to the person you are weilding it on, remember, DEFENSE not OFFENSE, and please, no blows to below. (Nice rhyme, eh?)
Reply:A media invention designed to inflame and excite you that maybe there's something better that is just beyond your grasp.





It's called commercialism and you fell for it.
Reply:yes, it involves hair pulling, eye-poking, crotch kicking, and also deadly things that involve pressure points and causing severe damage to the opponent. This can include punching the nose from the bottom, causing the bone to pierce the brain and instant death, smashing the shoulders down with both hands, causing instant death. There are many other things that you can do that you can do. They are forbidden because they have no real purpose except to kill your opponent.
Reply:My "forbidden" martial art is a 44 semi-automatic. I can drop 12 "masters" in about 6 seconds!!! Is that playing fair? Haha! Who cares! I win.
Reply:If my humble, meager research is correct....that word, "forbidden", really is just all hype most of the time. A lot of people use it, much as the Hawaiians did with Lua, or as the Chinese of Hong Kong did in Bruce Lee's day, to basically *hide* their techniques from outsiders (mostly Westerners of a Caucasian bent). I'd say 90-95% of the time, these days, it's an outdated concept as the developments in BJJ and MMA circles have put some pressure on artists to *disclose* what they know or risk extinction in one dis-interested and cynical generation.





But. There are "forbidden", or illegal techniques in every style, or at least in every style that spars with any degree of contact. This is just necessary to keep practitioners from maiming and crippling one another within a practice situation. Rules are rules, and they exist for the same reason whether you are talking about Boxers not hitting below the belt, Kyokushin/knockdown karateka not punching to the face, K-1 kickboxing not allowing elbows, or the UFC not allowing low kicks and stomps to someone *trying a shoot*.





They exist in part to keep practice practice, to keep a sport a *sport* that people can practice and do repeatedly without *so* much risk of being crippled. This is the price you pay for aliveness: techniques do have to be limited and restricted in some manner. Really. Do a search on the fighter "Randy Couture" sometime. Many of the ways he won matches in his early UFC career are now illegal techniques: finger chokes and strangles, using knees to the head from a north-south position on the ground, and so on. Or do a search on "Jigoro Kano", founder of modern Judo, who was of much this opinion, that jiu-jitsu, in order for it to survive, it had to limit its techniques to the ones that could be trained with full resistance without immediately damaging students.





A lot of these "illegal" techniques (such as biting, gouging, eye strikes, finger strangles) are in fact part of the bread-and-butter "shredding" technique of "senshido", an eclectic style of self-defense that focuses on gross-body movements and the use of aggression to stop aggression. You can search the name "senshido" or the founder, "Richard Dimitri", in the context of "martial arts" in any Advanced search. Phrases, not single words (include those quotes).





And as for the rest? Look at some of the illegal moves in Western Boxing under the Queensbury rules: blows to the back of the head, kidney punches, anything involving extended hitting in a clinch (or throw, heaven forbid). Basically, if an attack involves the spine in any way, it's going to be "forbidden". Same if an attack lands to the throat, to the eyes, to the whole pelvic region (not just the groin, the whole area because the hip joint itself is fragile, and some find it hard to target the joint without going low). Some folks also forbid elbow tactics because it doesn't take a lot of attributes to *hit someone HARD* with an elbow....likewise, it doesn't take much effort to break a knee if you are a) wearing shoes or boots, and b) you attack the joint from the sides or behind it.





So yeah, any art or style that trains in the above tactics might be considered "forbidden"....but you do have to ask yourself, do they train these tactics in a way that is close enough to alive, that the methods stick? Do these schools really risk putting students and teachers alike in wheelchairs?





I mean, it's one thing to wear headgear with a face-cage, for shredder training in senshido (par for the course, so I hear). It's another thing when you have to do *compliant* partner training to keep people from snapping necks and pelvic bones in training, the way some Phillippine and Indonesian styles do. One method (the first) would be much closer to being alive--resistant--than the other.





I'm just saying, even for the 5-10% of the time when the "forbidden" or "dirty fighting" stuff isn't hype, you still have to be careful, you still have to look at it critically and asses if people are really getting trained *to use* a technique, as opposed to merely *demonstrating it* on a willing partner.





I hope this helps, and thanks for your time! :)
Reply:myth. sometimes name dropped by instructors wanting people to stay till black belt to learn them. but its more of the same.





and you dont play defense! the only way to win is through offense. blocking will never be effective in stopping an opponent unless you expect to tire them out after blocking for 5 minutes. offense involves the attacks that changes everything.
Reply:Ninjitsu, Krav Maga, Systema, Dim Mak, ect.
Reply:One of the reasons they are called the forbidden martial arts is because anybody who knows anything about them will not talk about them.
Reply:it's forbidden to speak of the forbidden ma,like a lot of the make believe ma on here should be forbidden to speak of ma.lol.
Reply:dim mak the death touch
Reply:like Krav maga, there are restrictions by law of each country what techniques they're allowed to teach under it's curriculum due to some as "highly" destructive and lethal.
Reply:Do a search for Dim Mak or Chin Na. I will not say anymore.
Reply:this might be something that was said when bruce lee was teaching martial arts to westerners! now there is no such thing.
Reply:Anything below the belt or for a girl above...p.s. i go to tae kuan do and havent heard of it, but it would be cool to learn something like that!








maybe...








its....














like naruto....











NINJUTSU,TAIJUTSU,AND GENJUTSU!!!!!!! LOL JOKING!


(but that would be awesome!)


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