Is the forum for martial arts really two different forums that interract strangely?

Just as their very conceptions of what the martials art interract strangley.





Allow me to explain.


We frenquently get those little scuffles between those interested in the teachings of the dojo and those who claim the ring (or cage, or even sidewalk) is the proper measure of the martial arts.


May I suggest that the missunderstanding comes from the fact we actually live in very different universes. The student of the martial arts (in a dojo) is not necessarily encouraged to question the validity of techinque. He is asked to accept the technique in a wider context. The dojo martial artists is not constantly concerned about the finality of everything. But he is also the one whose curiosity leads him to discoveries.


The ring-oriented martial artist, on the other hand, is much more interested in the mechanical aspect, and the effectiveness of technique. He relies on the tradition of the masters who studied his art with patience, however. The ring artist is usually younger,

Is the forum for martial arts really two different forums that interract strangely?
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Reply:Yes. Some people have suggested separating the category into two, but the two do interact together strangely enough.
Reply:ya id say so


but others might say no


then they will interperitate there own answers to sound complex


when it can be explained very simply just to sound either smart or important
Reply:i dont totally disagree with what you say but i dont agree either.to the true martial artist its a life style choice,to the fighter its just a sport or a way of potentially making money.some fighters grow up and get over the i want to prove im the best attitude and become very good martial artists,but unfortunately the majority dont.and there normally the ones that get beat up by old drunks and give the rest of us a bad name.getting in a ring and fighting and then running around telling ppl and making out your a martial artist doesn't make it so. the true martial artist is after the pursuit of perfection,a fighter only wants to win the next fight.i dont know where you get the idea that a fighter is after the effectivness of technique as that couldn't be further from the truth.through perfection comes effectivness.as to the little scuffles you talk about i wouldnt take much notice of them as most ppl on here are full of **** and dont have a clue what there talking about.whether it be fighting in a ring or fighting in a dojo that in no way has any impact on whether you are a martial artist or not,theres a much bigger picture and unfortuanately most ppl dont see that because there to busy big noting themselves and trying to make out they know something they dont.some of the questions and the answers i see on here make me ashamed to admit im a martial artist at times.fortuanately i know im a martial artist and there are very few on this site and realise that most ppl on here just havn't got a clue what the words martial arts or martial artist means.most ppl on here dont even know there a difference between self defence and fighting.you only have to look at a recent question that asked how many ppl have used there ma in a real situation,most answered no or had very little experience but in the same breathe pertain to be experts and deride ppl with experienced opinions?how can you be an expert with no experience?but this and many other sites are full of keyboard warriors that think they know but in reality the first time they get in a real situation they get beaten up or start crying before it even gets to that stage.you learn more by listening to someone with experience than talking just to hear the sound of your own voice,especially when you dont know what your talking about? i suggest you dont really understand either,but if your a martial artist you will keep learning until you do.
Reply:YES!





"Practitioners" and "Spectators"





We have posters who practice martial arts and ask questions about practicing martial arts.





We have posters who are fans whose only involvement in martial arts is the fact that they watch UFC or Pride on TV.





In my opinion the second group should either be in a different category or post on the Wrestling forum.





Maybe even a THIRD category...


"Machos" who like to pretend / fantasize!





EDIT:


re: idai's post -- There will always be people who have opposing opinions as to whether the martial arts are about fighting or self/internal-development -- that is to be expected. We just need to "agree to disagree" on that one.


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Reply:Hi there





Yes this question has been brought up before. I personally think it should be split between martial sports and martial arts. But i don't think you will ever stop the TV martial artists from asking silly questions such as which is the best art or who would win between Micky Mouse and Donald Duck.





There's always been a split between the real and the artistic martial artist. Personally i don't see how the two can ever be separated as the true combat techniques and principles come from the forms.





There's no quick fix to this one and its all down to ones preference and personal choice.





Personally i think Donald Duck would win hands down!





See they even got me at it now! lol ;)





Regards





idai
Reply:I don't think so
Reply:I think that it isn't so much a disparity between factions in the genuine martial arts - it's more a problem with people who believe that they are martial artists when they are no more than people who have learned the other commoner wrestling kinds of combat.


martial artists are exactly that, artists.


Not wrestlers, not fighters.
Reply:Well, you are not exactly correct, but you are not that far off the mark.
Reply:yup!
Reply:Some would say,STRANGELY ENOUGH!


good question!
Reply:The proper measure of martial arts is the mindset of the practitioner. Both dojo and street techniques should be mixed into a practical combination - that gives the student a well balanced mix. The discipline comes from practicing those 'traditional' techniques - while boring and sometimes impractical for the street - they do serve some good. Body conditioning, etc. Hope this wasnt too boring.
Reply:It is the opinions of many.





Thats all...
Reply:though identifying two distinct training areas, the problems they have are small when viewed against a more important difference.


you have over looked the dojo/ring aspect vs the outside world aspect.





does the training really offer the person the best defensive option?





after the rules are gone, you fight a different fight.